{"id":1524,"date":"2023-01-07T10:00:27","date_gmt":"2023-01-07T15:00:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/?p=1524"},"modified":"2023-06-04T10:16:36","modified_gmt":"2023-06-04T15:16:36","slug":"tektronix-564-continued-weirdness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/tektronix-564-continued-weirdness\/","title":{"rendered":"Tektronix 564: Continued weirdness &#8211; SOLVED"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6176-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1545\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6176-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6176-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6176-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6176-1536x2048.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6176-scaled.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/tektronix-564-revisited\/\" data-type=\"post\" data-id=\"1394\">2 years ago<\/a>, I attempted to troubleshoot and repair an intensity modulation issue on my 564, but ended up giving up after a few unsuccessful attempts.  I had replaced a few power supply caps, and all voltages &amp; ripple were within spec.  I thought <em>maybe <\/em>it could be an issue with the CRT?  Last month, a spare CRT popped up 30 miles away for $40, so I grabbed it.  I made the swap, and the issue remained. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have since changed out the remainder of the electrolytic caps in all &#8216;low voltage&#8217; supplies (all but the -12.2V &#8211; I don&#8217;t have a good way to mount new caps, and the ripple is really non-existent).   I swapped the vertical and horizontal plugins, and never saw the issue, but I think this is a red herring, as when I put just the vertical plugin in the horizontal slot and feed it a 60Hz ramp, I do see the issue.  I did this 2 years ago, and confirmed it today.  The other thing I did to eliminate  my suspicion of the horizontal plugin was to pull the transistor that drives the intensifying signal, Q294.  When I pulled it, the issue diminished a little bit, but was still present. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"711\" height=\"418\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1525\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image.png 711w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-300x176.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-500x294.png 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 711px) 100vw, 711px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Other things that didn&#8217;t work:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Disconnecting the intensifying pulse input &#8211; had to leave R838 &amp; R839 connected, otherwise the beam intensity was unstable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"971\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1531\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-1.png 971w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-1-300x154.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-1-768x395.png 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-1-500x257.png 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 971px) 100vw, 971px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><br \/>Maybe there was some heater to cathode leakage in the HV regulator tube?  I swapped it out with a 12AU7 (similar pin out, close enough performance), the same issue occurred.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"880\" height=\"874\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-2.png 880w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-2-300x298.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-2-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-2-768x763.png 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-2-302x300.png 302w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 880px) 100vw, 880px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The ripple of on the primary of the HV transformer seems negligible, and in line with what I&#8217;d expect on a simple unregulated supply.  Allowable ripple isn&#8217;t listed on the manual like it is for the other rails.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"497\" height=\"308\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-3.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1535\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-3.png 497w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-3-300x186.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-3-484x300.png 484w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 497px) 100vw, 497px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>May be on to something:  I&#8217;m seeing at least 5V of ripple on the grid of V800. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"852\" height=\"566\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-4.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1537\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-4.png 852w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-4-300x199.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-4-768x510.png 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/image-4-452x300.png 452w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 852px) 100vw, 852px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I thought the ripple on the 300V supply was in spec, but I just noticed a filter cap I missed on the other side of the regulator, that&#8217;s tucked away in the back of the scope. No change after swapping out that cap, but I think we&#8217;re getting closer.  When I see problem, I&#8217;m also seeing ripple measurements jumping around.  When the trace is solid, the ripple is rock steady at less than 5mV. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Things to suspect next:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>V674, the 6AU6 error amplifier <br \/>Nope. <\/li><li>V677, the 6AS7 series pass tube<br \/>Damn, this was looking like the culprit at first, but the issue returned not after not too long.  Swapped the old tube back in and issue eventually returned. <\/li><li>C670 blocking cap &#8211; worth a try?<br \/>Nope.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Worth noting that we can still see the ripple on the 300V rail even if we pull the plug-in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Turning our attention back to the HV section, looking at the input of the HV regulator error amp, before R816.  It&#8217;s bang-on at -106V.  The problem has been intermittent, and hasn&#8217;t happened for a few minutes since I gave that area of the HV supply a blast with cold air (compressed air upside down).  Yep, OK, it&#8217;s back and the ripple is evident here as well  &#8211; still not clear if we&#8217;re getting closer to the cause, or are just seeing the effect on the +300V rail.   OK, this kind of sucks, but I&#8217;m getting to the point in the program where we just start swapping out caps.  Also waiting on a 6CZ5 to swap out V800<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>C841 &#8211; .047u &#8211; no change<\/li><li>C849 &#8211; .001u &#8211; no change<\/li><li><s>C801 &#8211; 0.2u ? just a disc cap<\/s><\/li><li><s>C807 &#8211; .001u &#8211; says it needs to be 600V, but there&#8217;s only ~500V across it.  Gonna risk a 600V for now. <\/s><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>SOLVED.  It was V634.  The 6DJ8 in the -150V supply.  The supply that has NOTHING TO DO with any of the HV Circuits, and which exhibited NO RIPPLE.  F*&amp;k, this was a hard-earned win. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Side note &#8211; I nuked Q294 while I was troubleshooting &#8211; it runs the intensifying pulse, and I was yanking it and stuffing it back in live.  I put in some basic bitch NPN transistor and it works fine. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1546\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/img_6220-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>2 years ago, I attempted to troubleshoot and repair an intensity modulation issue on my 564, but ended up giving up after a few unsuccessful attempts. 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