{"id":1632,"date":"2024-03-25T20:16:51","date_gmt":"2024-03-26T01:16:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/?p=1632"},"modified":"2024-07-20T09:06:06","modified_gmt":"2024-07-20T14:06:06","slug":"sencore-lc102","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/sencore-lc102\/","title":{"rendered":"Sencore LC102"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1659\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9366-1-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>My downstairs neighbor Ben loaned me his Sencore LC102 so I could start troubleshooting my newly acquired Tektronix 576 Curve Tracer that I suspected had some bad caps (spoiler alert, it had many bad caps). I&#8217;ve typically slummed it with my Heathkit IT-28 to check PS caps, but that&#8217;s not really as useful for lower voltage caps, nor will it tell you anything about ESR.<br>I&#8217;ve tended to ignore Sencore equipment on the count of it&#8217;s membrane buttons and non-backlit LCD displays, but damn this LC102 is useful. Ben just so happened to have both a working and non-working unit, and let me hang on to both for a bit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The bad unit will fire up, but won&#8217;t test a cap. It will also lock up if you hit the &#8216;lead zero open&#8217; switch. The other telltale symptom that something is amiss is a distinctive whine coming from the unit&#8217;s power supply, specifically this transformer: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"419\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1024x419.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1633\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1024x419.png 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-300x123.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-768x314.png 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-500x205.png 500w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image.png 1419w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>We thought at first the noise was coming from the SMPS responsible for generating the test voltages, but this one handles the +\/- 5V rails. The rails measure OK, but this circuit is clearly working overtime to make that happen: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T202716-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1635\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T202716-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T202716-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T202716-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T202716-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T202716.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>For reference, here&#8217;s the good unit: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T201805-1-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1638\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T201805-1-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T201805-1-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T201805-1-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T201805-1-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240324T201805-1.jpg 1440w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s the output of the PWM driver on the bad unit:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"827\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359-1024x827.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1637\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359-1024x827.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359-300x242.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359-768x620.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359-1536x1241.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359-371x300.jpg 371w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9359.jpg 1858w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>And here&#8217;s the PWM output on the good unit: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"818\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356-1024x818.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1639\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356-1024x818.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356-300x240.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356-768x613.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356-1536x1226.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356-376x300.jpg 376w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9356.jpg 1707w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Note the frequency readout on my 7854 is being generated by my new-to-me 7D15 plug-in, sitting in the &#8216;B&#8217; horizontal slot, getting the signal from the trigger pick-off. I know any basic scope can do that these days, but that was cutting edge back in the early 80s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also note that the Circuit description says this frequency should be around 27KHz, but this is closer to 16KHz. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So there&#8217;s one of two things going on: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol><li>Something in the rest of the circuit that uses the +\/-5V rails is taxing the power supply, causing it to work harder to maintain these voltages. <\/li><li>Something is awry in the power supply circuit itself. <\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Given how hot the circuit gets, I don&#8217;t want to run the bad unit for too long. I think the best place to start is to measure DC resistances from ground to the voltage inputs on the main board. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another thing I learned while making these measurements:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol><li>tables in wordpress is wet, hot garbage (at least WPTableBuilder is)<\/li><li><s>The chassis is 100k away from ground (?!)<\/s> there&#8217;s actually 3 different grounds &#8211; chassis, circuit &amp; input.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wptb-table-container wptb-table-1641\"><div class=\"wptb-table-container-matrix\"><table class=\"wptb-preview-table wptb-element-main-table_setting-1641 edit-active\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-reconstraction=\"1\" data-wptb-table-tds-sum-max-width=\"525\" data-wptb-cells-width-auto-count=\"4\" role=\"table\" data-table-columns=\"4\"><tbody><tr class=\"wptb-row\" data-wptb-bg-color=\"\"><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"0\" data-x-index=\"0\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p style=\"text-align: center;\">Rail<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"0\" data-x-index=\"1\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p style=\"text-align: center;\">pin<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"0\" data-x-index=\"2\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p style=\"text-align: center;\">good unit<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-x-index=\"3\" data-y-index=\"0\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-2\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p style=\"text-align: center;\">bad unit<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><\/tr><tr class=\"wptb-row\" data-wptb-bg-color=\"\"><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"1\" data-x-index=\"0\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p>+5V<\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"1\" data-x-index=\"1\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">P4 - 5<br><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"1\" data-x-index=\"2\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">1.37k<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-x-index=\"3\" data-y-index=\"1\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-3\"><div class=\"mce-edit-focus\" style=\"position: relative;\"><div>1.16k<\/div><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><\/tr><tr class=\"wptb-row\" data-wptb-bg-color=\"\"><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"2\" data-x-index=\"0\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">-5V<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"2\" data-x-index=\"1\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">P4 - 4<br><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"2\" data-x-index=\"2\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">9k<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-x-index=\"3\" data-y-index=\"2\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-4\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">1.33k<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><\/tr><tr class=\"wptb-row\" data-wptb-bg-color=\"\"><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"3\" data-x-index=\"0\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">+12V<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"3\" data-x-index=\"1\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">P4 - 6<br><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"3\" data-x-index=\"2\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">1.38k<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-x-index=\"3\" data-y-index=\"3\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-5\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">1.54k<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><\/tr><tr class=\"wptb-row\" data-wptb-bg-color=\"\"><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"4\" data-x-index=\"0\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">+18V<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"4\" data-x-index=\"1\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">P4 - 7<br><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"4\" data-x-index=\"2\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">540k<br><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-x-index=\"3\" data-y-index=\"4\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-6\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\">870k<p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><\/tr><tr class=\"wptb-row\" data-wptb-bg-color=\"\"><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"5\" data-x-index=\"0\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"5\" data-x-index=\"1\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" data-y-index=\"5\" data-x-index=\"2\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-1\"><div><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><td class=\"wptb-cell\" style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(209, 209, 209);\" data-x-index=\"3\" data-y-index=\"5\" data-wptb-css-td-auto-width=\"true\"><div class=\"wptb-text-container wptb-ph-element wptb-element-text-7\"><div class=\"\" style=\"position: relative;\"><p><\/p><\/div><\/div><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>So right away, that discrepancy on the -5V rail is a big red flag. Lets investigate. Where does the -5V rail show up? A lot of places:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>It&#8217;s on the supply of every opamp<\/li><li>It&#8217;s a part of the offset null circuit on some opamps (a feature I&#8217;m not familiar with)<\/li><li>It feeds a pair of 4051 multiplexers<\/li><li>It feeds a MC14433 A\/D converter<\/li><li>It feeds something called the &#8220;Ringer&#8221; circuit. <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are all those locations in the schematic (click to get the PDF):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/lc102-2000.pdf\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"616\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-1024x616.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1647\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-1024x616.png 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-300x181.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-768x462.png 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-1536x924.png 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-2048x1232.png 2048w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-500x300.png 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m going to rule out that ringer circuit for now since the first thing that the -5V rail hits is a 10k resistor, and I&#8217;d be real surprised if that was shorted. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Actually, scratch that &#8211; the next thing to do is look at the main board with a thermal camera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s the good one<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191708-1-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1656\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191708-1-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191708-1-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191708-1.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>and here&#8217;s the bad one<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191833-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1657\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191833-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191833-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/20240325T191833.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>A clue!  What&#8217;s getting really hot is IC27, an LM319 in the capacitance measuring portion. IC22, a TL084 opamp that&#8217;s a part of the current source circuit is also getting warmer than expected. The other half of that dual opamp is in the ESR measuring circuit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I measured the output of IC22 into the LM317, and it&#8217;s -1.8V.  On the bad unit, it was +3.3V.  And here&#8217;s where I&#8217;m going to say a bunch of things that are probably wrong:  With -1.8V on the regulator, it&#8217;s essentially shut off &#8211; I would expect this since it&#8217;s a higher range; and you wouldn&#8217;t have a higher range enabled during power up.<br>Something is causing the regulator to be on in the bad unit. Is it an erroneous signal from the microcontroller, a faulty opamp, something with it&#8217;s surrounding analog circuitry, or a problem with the LM317? <br>I expect pin 12, the input from the microcontroller, to be low. It is on the good unit, but on the bad unit, it&#8217;s at like 1V, which is odd, and wrong. I wonder if the next move is to yank the LM317.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ok, yanked the LM317. With that out of the picture, The SMPS is no longer angry; it&#8217;s not buzzing, nor is it getting super hot. The LM319, however, is still getting getting very, hot, theres now +2V coming out of IC22 pin 14, and .4V on the input terminal pin 12. I can&#8217;t make that make sense to me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"656\" height=\"562\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1663\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-2.png 656w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-2-300x257.png 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-2-350x300.png 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 656px) 100vw, 656px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p> I mean, fuck-it do I socket IC22 &amp; IC27 next? I feel like they may not be the problems and are just collateral damage, but I&#8217;m not sure what to do next.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&#8212; The Next Day &#8212;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IC22 &amp; IC27 have been socketed. With both removed, and the LM317 reinstalled, the power supply doesn&#8217;t whine anymore. With IC22, the TL084 quad opamp reinstalled, the whine returns. I threw in a TL074, and the whine stopped. I measured the resistance between the positive &amp; negative terminals on both devices; on the TL084 I pulled out of the unit, I measured 340 ohms. On the new TL074, I measured 3 Meg, which is closer to what I&#8217;d expect. Reinstalling the LM319 Comparator made the whine come back. Measuring between the rails on that chip yields a similarly low value. I&#8217;m waiting on replacements. Fingers crossed this is it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&#8212; Parts are in &#8212;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I replaced IC27, the LM319 Dual Comparator with a new part I got off eBay. Thermal camera looks good, but I&#8217;m still getting the same issue:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>Open Test, with input open: I get one progress dash on the screen and the unit hangs.  <\/li><li>Open Test, with input shorted: same thing.<\/li><li>Short Test, with input shorted: Error 4<\/li><li>Short Test, with input open: Test runs and says &#8216;Open&#8217; (is this correct?)<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Note that the chip labeling looked a little suspect at first, so I whipped up breadboard set-up just to check it out. The Power Designs triple output supply is new to me, and I&#8217;m a fan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1668\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9400-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Testing some suspicious looking chips from eBay<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Something is still fishy in this neighborhood though &#8211; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s a few measurements from the good unit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1669\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9409-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Pin 10, the input of the Comparator IC27<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1670\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/IMG_9411-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Pin 9 input of the comparator IC27 &#8211; the high limit<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m going to post a few more pics of signals on that comparator, but I think it might be a red herring. The input signals on pin 5 of IC27 are driven by a pair of MOSFETS, which in turn are driven by two pins on the main processor. Those signals are different on the good unit vs the bad unit, so either there&#8217;s EPROM bit-rot (possible but unlikely) or much more plausible, the CPU isn&#8217;t getting the right signal from somewhere else to set those pins correctly. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Looking for a new lead, I&#8217;m turning again to the thermal camera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s the bad unit, on for about 45 minutes.  IC23, another dual op-amp, looks unusually hot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/HMNB2405-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/HMNB2405-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/HMNB2405-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/HMNB2405.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><figcaption>The bad one<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s the good one, on for maybe 25 minutes (yes yes, I know, it&#8217;s not the same amount of time, bla bla bla&#8230;).  IC23 is warm but a good 20 degrees F cooler. The hottest of the lot though is IC3, the regulator that&#8217;s responsible for the 12V reference. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/THET2937-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1676\" srcset=\"https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/THET2937-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/THET2937-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/paulcarbone.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/THET2937.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><figcaption>The good one<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>There&#8217;s already a 12V line from the power supply, so we&#8217;ll need to do some sleuthing in the schematic to see where this reference line goes. The fact that it&#8217;s dead cold in the bad unit could be another clue. I may also desolder IC23, though I think I&#8217;m fresh out of quad op-amps at the moment. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I checked resistance between the positive &amp; negative supply inputs of that opamp in circuit (oddly +12 &amp; -5) on both good &amp; bad units, and they both read 3.3k, so I&#8217;m no longer suspecting a shorted IC. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, things are getting weirder. I double-checked the rails on both the good one and the bad one &#8211; they&#8217;re all as expected (but note that +12V means more like +13.8V). The 12V reference on the bad unit is bang on at 12.00V. The 12V reference on the good unit is only like 11.7V, so I wonder if even the good unit is harboring some gremlins. Also, another dead lead. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m not admitting outright defeat, but I&#8217;m going to retreat to other endeavors for now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>7\/20 Update: Defeat has been admitted. A friend found me a Sencore LC53 for cheap, and so I bailed on this and gave it back to Ben.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My downstairs neighbor Ben loaned me his Sencore LC102 so I could start troubleshooting my newly acquired Tektronix 576 Curve Tracer that I suspected had some bad caps (spoiler alert, it had many bad caps). 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